The elongated muskrat is learning first hand how the Nazi Bar Problem works
excuse me but what the fuck is the nazi bat problem
So, basically, if you tolerate the intolerant, the intolerant will eventually wipe out tolerance.
A more accurate way to say it is, “if you tolerate the intolerant BEING intolerant, intolerance will eventually wipe out tolerance.”
It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business. I just think a bar owner is free to kick people out for representing Nazis purely because it’s their bar and they can do what they want.
But X’s problem is a bit different from the Nazi Bar problem, in that you don’t really see the Neo Nazis on X sitting there minding their own business. You ONLY see them voicing their intolerance. Which of course, should not be tolerated.
Tolerate tolerate tolerate. There.
It does not say you should be intolerant of the intolerant while they’re minding their own business
it is a fallacy that the intolerant mind their own business. being intolerant is, itself, an active state, not a passive one, and one to be actively resisted. being intolerant involves choice, a choice to be intolerant. there is no “minding one’s own business” in being intolerant, as being intolerant necessarily involves minding the business of others ad then making the choice to react to it hatefully.
so your argument is, itself, spurious for it is fallacious in its foundation.
gtfo with your nazi apologism
Tolerate tolerate tolerate. There.
You have a bar: Nazi comes into your bar, you let him stay, because why not its just a single nazi. Nazi invites friends, those friends invite their friends, and so on. Now you a have nazi bar.
excuse me but what the fuck is the nazi bat problem
When you find a nazi but you can’t find a bat.
He’s making X into a “whites only” platform. What did he expect?
I remain convinced he’s killing it on purpose. I don’t know a plausible motive, but I guarantee it’s on purpose.
I used to think so too, but I don’t know if he is also bad at that because it is taking him longer than I expected.
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The problem with this narrative is that Musk lost money doing so.
I agree he’s killing it on purpose. Something to do with information control.
His meeting so long at the Superbowl with Rupert Murdoch in his suite sure didn’t give me a warm fuzzy feeling.
When the only people I saw there were the leftest lefties I ever saw… then he just alienated all of them
Elon is a very odd duck, and not at all in a good way.
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With so many options becoming available, increasingly less people will select the platform preferred by Nazis.
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The owner is an actual Nazi
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People who associate with and protect Nazis are also Nazis, imo.
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Not really.
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Racist arsehole yes, Nazi is hyperbole and I’m sick of hyperbole
What do you call 10 people having dinner with a nazi?
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Reddit’s also dying
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We need reddit active. It’s the final frontier of the internet containment zone.
Its a content farm now, time for it to die
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I put a question up yesterday on Reddit and got no engagement with it in like 12 hours. Maybe no one that knows anything is answering questions now. I guess we will see.
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Maybe that is why I cannot see the answer. I have ublock origin enabled. :)
At this point Musk has platformed all of the undesirables of the internet. He’s a big, blinking, neon sign that says “there are no adults in the room, do whatever you want.”
That could be a service to the rest of us. It would be nice if, now that they’re all concentrated there, the internet could quietly agree to shadowban the entire site. Just disappear it from search results, conversation, “zeitgeist.” Let all of the toxic users keep each other busy while the rest of us enjoy a cleaner internet.
At least thats kind of reassuring in a way, that part of it is people dont want to associate with that stuff. (Though I realize that isnt the only reason)
It’s morbid but the only use it has to me is info on live shitty events.
Yes, this is what happens when you take a big shit in people’s cereal. They tend to leave. I, too, could be an analyst.
My wife insists she’s staying there for the news and legal people she follows and she has a point. A lot of government, business, and schools continue to use it as an easy way to broadcast information.
Threads pulled off some celebrities, Bsky some policy and legal wonks, and Mastodon the tech geeks. If these services all start federating together and offering unified text and hashtag search, then where you land won’t matter.
Until then, it’ll be hard to get people to switch away, even with all the bad press.
If these services all start federating together
No one should federate with meta.
So at what point does/did it reach death spiral?
There’s probably a sociology theory that would apply, but my guess would be a loss of 33% of active users over the course of 6 months.
the death spiral is in progress, elon’s just rich so he can pay bills (or let leases go resulting in eviction…) for a while
When the “large” voices leave in significant numbers - in the UK it is used wildly by public sector and charity organisations, there are official governmental Twitter accounts, all the broadcasters have accounts.
Really wish I could convince local government entities to switch to Mastodon - my local police said it was “subject to O.P.R.A.” and needed to meet retention rules (if you rolled your own…), and the state wildfire commission said they were looking at Threads :/
So instead, both are still stuck on the platform that requires a login to see posts and filled with nazis.
I think Threads federation may actually help with. I’m trying to persuade a health body at the moment to switch from Twitter and to roll their own Mastodon instance, based on the fact that what they really want is the widget on the website, control of their data and the ability to reach people.
Twitter has already screwed the widget with the login/authentication requirements. If
Threads actually allows its users to see Mastodon posts, that’s a big old reachable audience.
So at what point does/did it reach death spiral?
It isn’t so much a spiral as it is a series of 90 degree turns.
Twitter is for fascists & their sympathizers.
Good.
Agreed, but, it makes meta stronger.
174 million daily active users. Wake me up when it’s the same as mastodon.
I stopped using it when squacker stopped working, though I don’t think I’m in that statistic because I never had a twitter account.
Same. I don’t want to make an account.
Off to ItsownSpace it goes /s
