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I am sure that if the Israeli government gets together they can come up with a solution to the Hamas problem. They can have a conference somewhere, I hear the Wannsee district of Berlin is nice this time of year.
This shit needs to be said. Zionists are using Nazi tactics. They should be ashamed of themselves.
This has become a sort of an edgelord thing to say in the geopolitical arena. It’s obvious that if Israel and IDF was committing genocide with the same passion and planning as Hitler was doing with the jews, this situation would be completely different.
Additionally, Hamas doesn’t declare how many of the killed people have been its fighters. They make it look like all of them are civilians. Are there even estimates about this?
Well, we could probably take the 15000 or so children off the number, I would guess.
Perhaps you cannot. Amnesty International thinks Hamas uses children as soldiers: https://www.amnesty.org/en/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/mde150352004en.pdf
Given their religion (dying in holy war is considered a net positive for the individual) and demographics (half of the people are underage), it makes sense if they did.
Given their religion
Definitely not an argument against a specific point, but a generalization against an entire population. Pretty much ad hominem on a large scale.
What a bigot with no actual argument. Begone now and thank you 😘
Bye
I offered an actual argument with actual data from an impartial source. You seem to have twisted my words in the second paragraph that were directed at Islamist terrorists to encompass a whole population.
Being angry at me for saying this does not help. Be angry at them who cynically employ these strategies. If you are a muslim yourself, you’re at a much better position to make a positive change than I, being a western atheist, am.
Bye
Are you yogthos?
Offering your opinion as an “actual argument with actual data” and a link to amnesty international does NOT constitute a coherent, well formed argument.
Reporting me with “uncivil comment” only shows your evasiveness to real discourse and that you will try to silence and put down anyone that disagrees with because you have no real argument to offer.
Good luck in the real world buddy, you’ll need it.
Offering your opinion as an “actual argument with actual data” and a link to amnesty international does NOT constitute a coherent, well formed argument.
Give me your definition of a well-formed argument, then. I also haven’t seen your argument based on data, just badmouthing me.
Uncivility is the reason I report things, not bad opinions or arguments. The latter is acceptable because correcting those that’s the only way people can learn. Uncivility is unacceptable, since that only causes harm. If you don’t see how you were uncivil, I suggest you go read your comment more carefully.
For instance
Good luck in the real world buddy, you’ll need it.
Uncivil. Do you see it now? Thanks to federation, you can imagine your own rules in your own server obviously, but it doesn’t remove the fact of how you’re behaving.
I would also call out how unclassy it is to make rude comments on regular threads with an “admin” account, but that’s another one of your freedoms of running your own instance. But if you keep doing that, at some point other admins will start blocking your instance.
I don’t think 20+million people have been killed in that conflict, so the scale isn’t quite there. I do agree it’s a genocide with a false pretense of defensive military operations. Israel needs to slow it’s roll though because without US backing it doesn’t exist in the region.
Fuck them and let them keep it up, then we pull out, and then they get what they deserve
Least genocidal burgueroid
Neither I nor Google know what that last word means friend.
Most inteligent burguerbrain
As someone from Germany, reading this makes me angry.
I don’t have the solution for this conflict, but when seeing the concentration camps in my country and understanding how much they must have hated Jews that they aimed to kill EVERYONE of them…
This is not the same! We all know that Israel did not even want to be there until Hamas butchered and kidnapped Israelis last year. Otherwise, they could have stayed there during the last invasion.
The holocaust comparison does not help anyone.
Edit: Very nice… Downvoting different views on this comparison without sharing arguments… Closing the door for discourse is always very useful!!!111 There is actually much we could agree on regarding this war, but yeah, go ahead and dislike me for not sharing your view that this is like the Holocaust. I’m from Germany where we visited tge remains of concentration camps twice during school time… What do I know…? :/
Germany’s role as a moral shield for Israel’s genocide is the most disgusting part of this whole ordeal.
I’ve read about the Staatsräson with some bemusement. It seems that Germany’s lesson from the Holocaust is not that there should be no more genocide but that Zionist Jews can do whatever they want.
Germany is always on the wrong side of history it seems.
If you want Germany to atone for Nazism, give Israel your country rather than making the Palestinians pay for your crimes for the last 75 years.
If you want Germany to atone for Nazism, give Israel your country
Sounds fancy, but this is as realistic as a permanent peace with Gaza as long as it is controlled by the Hamas terrorists that have the main goal to destroy Israel.
Staatsräson
In Germany, the word is criticised, because of the “Interpretationsspielraum” (“wiggle room”).
but that Zionist Jews can do whatever they want.
There are multiple German politicians warning about a disaster in Rafah, about flooding tunnels with sea water, etc. Acting like Germany is cheering “Well done, go on!!!” is far away from the truth.
Germany is always on the wrong side of history it seems.
Interesting, because Germany was and is kind of well aligned with the Western World for the last decades…
I don’t necessarily agree with every point from the previous poster, but saying Germany is in line with the western world isn’t exactly a defense because the western world hasn’t exactly been above reproach for the last 25 years. There is a lot of Muslim blood on several countries hands. I understand that you argued that the Palestinians struck first, but when you look at the overall death toll, it’s pretty clear that it isn’t the west getting slaughtered on a regular basis in the last decades.
I don’t necessarily agree with every point from the previous poster, but saying Germany is in line with the western world isn’t exactly a defense because the western world hasn’t exactly been above reproach for the last 25 years.
I did not see it as a defense… More like a “Maybe, you are on the wrong side, too”…
I understand that you argued that the Palestinians struck first, but when you look at the overall death toll, it’s pretty clear that it isn’t the west getting slaughtered on a regular basis in the last decades.
The numbers were always like that. Hamas kills X Israelis, Israel reacts and kill X * 10 Palestinians.
Thus, Hamas knew how bad the consequences of the latest massacre could be. I think, Hamas wanted all this. They wanted these pictures. They wanted to separate Israel and some Muslim-countries. One more reason to make sure, they lose power.
Whether they wanted it or not, they aren’t the ones personally pulling the trigger on Palestinians. The Israelis still have a choice about how they respond, and they’ve chosen utter annihilation. Just because you are baited doesn’t mean you have to take the bait.
Just because you are baited doesn’t mean you have to take the bait.
Sure. But what’s the alternative? Relaxing and waiting for the next attack?
Hamas’ primary goal is to destroy Israel. If they stay in power, there will be a next time…
A measured response. Tactical assimilation of the population until they are united. Education measures to show that historically they are the same people originating from the same region, and they can coexist together rather than enforce an apartheid.
Those are just a few alternatives to wholesale slaughter of an entire region, and Israel has the available resources to do it.
