Cops Unlawfully Handcuff Man Who Refuses to ID! He Sues for Unlawful Detainment and Rights Violation
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YouTube Shorts is throwing me in a rabbit hole of policeman seemingly overstepping the boundaries when stopping citizens for a routine check. The discussions often revolve around asking and not wanting to show their ID (“unless you can tell me what crime you accuse me of”). Is there a particular reason why they’re so hesitant to present their ID to the police officer? It only seems to escalate the situation. In Belgium I don’t see the harm in showing my ID when I’m stopping by a police officer. (added url as an example)

  • themeatbridge@lemmy.worldEnglish
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    7 months ago

    Is there a particular reason why they’re so hesitant to present their ID to the police officer?

    If the officer is willing to violate your rights, what else might they do? Giving them your ID allows them to waste your time running your name through their system. The more time they spend with you, the more time they have to think of some bullshit justification for why they stopped you in the first place.

    People die in police custody. People have been permanently maimed and tortured while under arrest.

    Know your rights, and cede none of them without protest. They’re allowed to ask you to give up your rights, but they’re not allowed to take them from you. The law is on your side, even if the cops aren’t.

    • tswerts@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
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      7 months ago

      I know I posted this at the ‘the police problem’ community. But I thought that when pulled over by the police, giving your drivers licence, to show you’re allowed to drive, doesn’t do any harm. It’s common practice in Belgium to check if all your ‘papers’ are in order. And if so, you’re back on your way.

      • Clent@lemmy.worldEnglish
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        7 months ago

        In America the police see themselves as apex predators of citizens. For the purposes of self preservation, it is critical a citizen recognize this reality and not be fooled. The police are trained to deceive. The police are allowed to lie to you. They are not your friend. They have chosen an adversarial role in society, any messaging to the contrary is part of their predatory behavior.

        This is best illustrated by comparing what a police car looks like in America vs what a police car looks like in Belgium.

        American police cars are increasing indistinctive. They are designed to catch you unaware and blend into the herd.

  • TexMexBazooka@lemm.eeEnglish
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    7 months ago

    You technically don’t have to present your ID unless you’re being detained, and everyone wants to get all “MAH RIGHTS” when confronted and believing they’ve done nothing wrong.

    It usually blows up in their face for sure

      • Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
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        7 months ago

        Example with the actual statute? Even Terry V Ohio doesn’t allow for identification. Just an external pat down if there is RAS. As shitty and unconstitutional as that ruling happens to be.

          • Alph4d0g@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            2·
            7 months ago

            Appreciate the reply. It is important to note that even those states require reasonable articulable suspicion of an actual crime and that the person is detained under such articulable suspicion. If you invoked your 4th and 5th amendment right even under those circumstances, they would have the burden to articulate in court the specific crime and why they believed you were involved in that crime. Stop and ID is a bit misleading as it still requires specific narrow suspicion that is tied to an actual crime and the person is detained under that context.

            • A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.worldEnglish
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              7 months ago

              That’s true, but they have “qualified immunity” so there’s basically no consequences for them to just make shit up to get your ID anyway. When it’s their turn in front of the judge they’ll play the “glassy/bloodshot eyes + odor of alcohol/weed” card, and the most you can really hope for is them getting suspended with pay.

              It’s a bullshit RAS and everyone knows it, but it gets them past the “reasonable” part of “unreasonable search and seizure” so no 4th amendment rights are technically violated and it’s practically impossible to prove otherwise. Until bodycams can capture smell, there’s really no way around it.

              You’d be risking a misdemeanor charge, jail time, and time/energy/money spent on dealing with court just to avoid a small inconvenience. And refusing to ID in those states is basically begging them to search your car too, so despite how blatantly unjust it is, it’s really not worth it.