“It’s almost a cruel joke on the electorate that the longest presidential election potentially ever might also be the one that they’re least excited about,” said one Democratic pollster, speaking anonymously to candidly discuss the race.

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    Biden has advanced a lot of helpful policies for millions of people in his first term, really progressive civil rights policies and good economic and foreign policies.

    trump rapes people, lies about it, and repeatedly commits election fraud.

    The only way you can pretend these two are remotely similar is if you ignore the real world because you’re too cynical to learn anything.

    Lazy article, lazy thesis.

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      The only thing similar about them is that the electorate doesn’t want them. Oh, and they’re both older than former president Bill Clinton, who has been out of office for 25 years now.

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        I want Biden. And he won The New Hampshire primary without even being on the ballot.

        I think this “the electorate doesn’t want him” shit is made up or refers only to people who don’t understand or know about the positive consequences of Biden administration policies, repeating vapid, empty headlines

        It’s repeated too often with zero evidence outside of ludicrous polls to be given any merit.

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    Well, here’s your problem.

    Republicans, by and large, want Trump.

    Democratic voters, by and large, want to make sure that Trump loses (much like the person he is), and would like any candidate that can offer a high probability of that happening. Biden has already beat Trump once, and has, overall, been a pretty decent president. (Yes, the Israel thing is a mess, I know. From the river to the sea, etc.) Dems might prefer a younger candidate that’s better at ramming legislation through–which no Dem could do right now, not with Republicans controlling the House–but preventing a Republican victory is more important.

    So that’s how we’ve arrived here.

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        Against Trump? Probably not. Republicans and independents that lean Republican view Sanders as a communist, which is generally a bad thing. (Sanders is more a democratic socialist, which is generally a positive thing.)

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          Sanders is more SocDem by policy, but I think any reasonable Socialist is a Communist as well, just with vastly different time frames for achieving Communism. The ideal of a Stateless, Classless, Moneyless society is a noble goal, whether that be in 50 years, 500 years, or 5000 years.

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            Nah, I don’t think Sanders wants actual communism. More power to the people and more corporate accountability, sure.

            There are countries that already do this successfully. Don’t you remember how Republicans were saying “Sanders?! Do we want to be another Sweden?!”?

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              I am not saying he’s a Communist, rather, I’m saying he’s not really a Socialist and just a Social Democrat, like Sweden.

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                I understand what you meant, then. Apologies, I’m an ignorant in terms of those types of definitions. When I read:

                Sanders is more SocDem by policy, but I think any reasonable Socialist is a Communist as well, [etc]

                I thought “being a SocDem” and “being a Socialist” were the same thing.

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                  It’s an easy and common misconception! Social Democrats believe in Capitalism with strong safety nets, while Democratic Socialists believe in Socialism as the form of economic structure instead of Capitalism.

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      What I don’t see talked about much is the record breaking oil extraction done under the Biden administration.

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        Is record breaking oil extraction actually news? Isn’t that a record we’ve been consistently breaking since fraking was discovered? I feel like it’s more “Oh shit, the money machine might be turned off soon, best run that shit as fast as we can until then” from oil execs rather than “I, as Supreme Commander of the United States, demand more oil be extracted”

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          I’d say it’s news, as it’s directly tied to the ongoing climate apocalypse.

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            Yeah, but the point is that Biden is neither the cause nor culprit behind the record breaking, so why put it on him?

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              I mean if you think the fossil fuel companies don’t have close ties to whatever administration is in power, I’ve got some bad news.

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                Still missing the point. You’re trying to pin it on Biden as if the record-breaking thing is a direct consequence of Biden being Biden - and “Biden bad.”

                No. If Trump, Zombie Kennedy, Jesus Christ or even freaking Al Gore were in power right now, the “record breaking” thing would have still happened.

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                to whatever administration is in power

                then by your own admission this is lost regardless of who’s in power and we need to look at where the candidates stand on other issues, such as Trump and the GOP being completely against renewable energy in any form and looking to defund the EPA

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    Because Democrats are assholes and refuse to see how fucking good Biden has been. Perfect is the enemy of good and they keep pushing left and don’t have the numbers.

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      Do you have a list? Aside from trying student loan forgiveness, empowering unions (after kicking the rail union in the dick), and pushing Ukraine aid, I haven’t seen anything spectacular, though I may have missed it.

      Abortion still needs addressed federally, corps are killing us with prices and blaming inflation or covid, congress is still insider trading, and right now they’re all collectively sucking Israel’s dick.

      I’ll still vote biden but I’m gonna fucking complain about it.

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        Ahhh right, he’ll just magically wave his wand and convince everyone to change how they feel.

        Your statement really sums it up. Despite these wins while working with a batshit insane GOP Biden has not done enough.

        I’m not trying to knock on you personally. I just think the he should be doing more is a bit of a dream vs pragmatic reality.

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          Bro, if Biden sleeps in the oval office for 4 years the nets effects of that are going to be bettee than what Trump will do. Do people have such a short memory to not remember the shitshow Trump generated?

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          I’m legitimately asking because I don’t know what else he’s done. But yes, if those are the only 3 things he accomplished in 3 years, that’s not much to boast of. I don’t think that’s the case, but you’re basically saying “fascism is going to win but at least he tried.”

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      I was pleasantly surprised with him.

      But you don’t just get to hand wave away what he has enabled, and is continuing to enable, in Gaza.

      If the choice is him vs Haley/Trump, of course I’m gonna vote Biden. But as a negative choice, not a positive one.

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        I agree, I just don’t see anyone working a viable path forward, certainly not while getting reelected. Israel is the least terrible choice for a long time. And for a while they were less genocidal about it. It’s going to take some time to turn the ship around on Israel. It sucks, all of it. Pragmatism around a genocide is a fucked thing ain’t it?

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      Biden is the ONLY man in America that could sometimes do some moderately progressive things

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      Sorry which part of our capitalistic hell-hole of an existence did he fix again? Healthcare? Inflation? Housing? Global Warming?

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          This gish-gallop of malarkey again?

          I’ve already called that out for being a bunch of bullshit. Did you actually read any of it? It’s a bunch of nonsense.

          What has he done about 1.) income inequality 2.) housing 3.) healthcare 4.) global warming 5.) inflation 6.) greedflation 7.) shrinkflation