Many gun owners are democrats, so their moronic stance against the U.S. fucking military is not off to a great start planning wise
Yea there are many Gun owners that are idiots
The conservatives who think their little metal identity can take on the government? Yeah, I agree.
The Government… Oh the good old government. Made out of people, and a lot of them conservative (cause conservative people tend to love this country, so they would give up their time to defend it).
So yea if the “government” turns in to his people its people will turn in to it.
Bruh I’m a gun owner for sport, don’t lump me in with the stupid crowd. I don’t care if I couldn’t own guns anymore, I’d just find a different hobby. I’m sure as shit not coming to the rescue of Texas
How did bombing vietnam work for you?
Also you really think the mikitary is going to bomb citizens who they could know or family member in texas?
Try it, actually try it. Dont talk about bombing us, actually do it and see what happens.
Bro bombing would be the least of the concerns lol
Vietnam didn’t work because people native to the region had a much much greater understanding of the terrain, locals, dangers, etc.
The US government probably has a contingency plan to attack any given state should it fall under enemy control.
I swear y’all think way too highly of yourselves.
So this dumbass thinks the entire population of American gun owners are coming to their rescue?
Every gun owner I’ve talked to on the internet claims they do this to protect themselves from the US government. Every gun owner I’ve talked with on the internet doesn’t have an answer for when I discuss the massive firepower the US has in comparison to their pew pew sticks.
edit: I should qualify this a little. There are responsible gun owners, and I have talked with some on the internet. There sure are a lot of vocal irresponsible gun owners as well, and those are the ones I have spent far more time arguing with online. You know the ones - they buy the gun and expect it to do all the work for them.
Every gun owner on the internet seems to be 100% on board with using their guns to install a fascist US government.
A simple scroll on this thread alone seems to indicate against this statement. Plenty of good non-fashy-non-tankies who understand the problems with disarmament of the people.
They’re just also not loud and obnoxious. =\
Look, I wouldn’t mind having a gun personally, I get that they’re fun, but societally speaking, I am very fucking happy basically nobody has them here. Theoretically.
If that works for your locale and you personally, that’s great. No argument. It’s a complicated topic for sure.
From a perspective here, unfortunately here in the U.S, they’re many times necessary for personal protection, especially out in the boonies, because the territory is just so dang BIG you simply can’t rely on a police service to protect you from skullduggery at all times. (And then, yeah, police are a contentious topic too lol…I digress)
My only nudge with your comment was “Every gun owner on the Internet seems…”
The vast majority of us are on the Internet, quiet, responsible, and really hope we’re never forced to sling lead at another human being, and we’re just as embarrassed as you are about the ones you’re talking about.
If anything, those types’ out of control posturing and dangerous toddler antics will end in screwing us all over once they’ve “othered” every single potential ally the responsible folks could have had.
I hope maybe in some way it can help you feel like the world is a little less crazy when people on “the other side of the issue” are all too happy to agree with you on how out of hand it’s all gotten.
I think a huge core of it is that arms companies need to stay in business by putting more product in exponentially more hands every quarter, and they’ll use every astroturfing, lobbying, culture-warping trick in the book to create a never-ending “gun fandom.”
That can’t be good for anybody.
Thanks for putting in the effort for a good reply.
I think the way I see it is this:
https://www.iflscience.com/an-artist-placed-goldfish-in-blenders-and-asked-visitors-to-turn-them-on-they-did-63638Briefly, artist put a live goldfish in a blender as an art exhibition, connects blender to a big red button for any attendee to press. If they want. They did.
The thought being, sooner or later, it doesn’t matter, given time, some bumfuck is going to press it. And they did. Plenty of people did (I think all the goldfish died, there were ten blenders like this, I think the artist even knew that 1 wouldn’t be enough and that 10 might perhaps drive the point home even more).
If you give people the option to select between life and death for someone else, people are going to die, a lot. It doesn’t matter that it was perhaps one in five hundred who pressed the button for whatever reason, the fish still got massacred.
You get what I’m saying?
Here’s your answer.
All the bombs, missiles, planes, and tanks are how the US got a decisive victory in Vietnam.
Aww, did you delete your reply? That’s not very big, brave gun owner of you. Thankfully, it still arrived in my inbox.
Washington DC area, 2002. Did two guys with a rifle paralyze a major metropolitan area?
While I’m all for people changing their deeply stupid beliefs, it’s still surreal that for at least a few minutes, you thought that a good argument was “Our guns will be all we need against an actual military because we can use them for domestic terrorism targeting pregnant white women”.
I reconsidered because I thought someone would misrepresent/ misconstrue my meaning. Congrats.
If the shooting starts, it won’t be the old scooter patrol on the front lines on the Texas border. It will be a guerilla war and the targets won’t be pregnant women. People who lack critical thinking skills or haven’t studied history think bombs and tanks matter in that sort of war. Hurr durr, no one can stand up to the military. Lol
Leaving the union: All social security, Medicare, Medicaid disappear immediately. Who is fighting the U.S. Navy for the oil wells? All imports stopped. All exports stopped. The companies who drill the oil and lobby the politicians are going to choose to sell to the U.S. instead of a single entity that won’t be able to pay. Now there is no fuel for vehicles… workers aren’t at the power plants, electricity failing more often than already overloaded grid they failed to maintain. It’s 100+ degrees in Texas how often?
People dying, starving, traveling back in time… Do they still think they are better than the immigrants coming over to offer work and pay sales taxes?
Maybe brokering a deal to figure out immigration policies where they are processed cheaper, documented and turned into workers paid for by the the entire U.S. won’t sound so bad then… Maybe they will even think assisting other countries so the people don’t leave will be so bad either.
Agreed, it would be a fucking mess, particularly if some of the states that are supporting Texas join in secession. But if there isn’t a border, there isn’t a country. And 2 million a year is beyond sustainable, and with zero vetting is beyond stupid and beyond dangerous. Who is coming in? MS13, Hamas/ ISIS? Trafficked children? Or is every single one just looking for a better life.
We have immigration laws, and the Biden administration isn’t following them. They are in fact, actively ignoring/breaking them.
Why?
Such a facetious argument to act like guns wouldn’t in some way limit the military.
Because even if you bomb territory that doesn’t mean you can occupy it, see Afghanistan and Vietnam. Infantry is needed for occupation when the enemy is mixed in with civilians.
And furthermore, don’t you think in the event of a civil war a fair bit of the military would be a bit unwilling to bomb urban areas?
unwilling to bomb urban areas
They’ve never had a problem with that before.
Maybe true
Entire nations know better than to take on the US military, who have a larger budget than the next ten nations combined and won’t even give you a target to shoot at, and these dick weasels think they can do it with commercially available weapons and no training?
LMAO. Go ahead, try it. I’ll be here with popcorn.
Vietnam, Afghanistan, Syria. Insurgency is very different from peer/near peer. Not to mention in the event of a civil war, at least some amount of the military would side with them. And another portion would not want to bomb urban areas especially.
You take away their burgers and see the uprising collapse in days. These people are nothing like the Vietnamese, the Afghans, or the Syrians.
Happened in Waco
The twitter user is making so many assumptions. It’s a great look into the delusional mind of alt right people.
For example, they assume all of the gun owners are conservatives and that they are all willing to fight and die for texas, and have the means or money to get there. In actuality, plenty of gun owners aren’t extremists or even right wing, and many of those who are probably won’t even show up if this shit happens.
Also, if this shit happens, once those who did show up end up in prison, on the run, or dead, you can bet your ass that the same account will be calling it a false flag operation or something [not sure if it was this account or one of the other major right wing twitter accounts that encouraged January 6th and then went on to claim it was a false flag afterwards]
To sum up the right wing lunatic mind: everybody who owns guns agrees with me and would die for those opinions, but also, if we lose, it was a false flag anyway, and most people actually agree with us but are too scared to show it, etc.
It’s just a bunch of hypocrisy and assumptions that go against all facts.
I’m pretty confident there’s not many Americans willing to sacrifice themselves for their respective political party lol. Who’s chomping at the bit to take a bullet for Cruz or Menendez?
How little the average redneck understands this joke… I’ll explain it like to a five year old:
72 bazillion guns are USELESS against one single B52 carpet bombing the shit out of you.
Modern Warfare makes a gun fight look like a cave men throwing stones.
