Thankfully I don’t use any of their products, but this really pisses me off. They claim that this open source project “causes significant economic harm to their company”
This is ridiculous. It is truly ridiculous. How can something that enables the user to efficiently control their AC cause “significant economic harm”???
Consider forking the repository or mirroring it to another platform like GitLab, Codeberg or your self-hosted Git server, so the project can continue to exist and someone can maybe fork it and maintain it.
The effected repos are: https://github.com/Andre0512/hOn and https://github.com/Andre0512/pyhOn
If you don’t know about Home Assistant, check it out. It’s an amazing piece of open-source software, that you can run at home on your own server and use it to control your smart home devices. That way, you don’t need to connect them to the manufacturer’s (probably insecure) cloud. It gives you sovereignty over your smart home instead of some proprietary vendor-locked garbage. Check out their website and the Lemmy community: !homeassistant@lemmy.world
I also highly recommend Louis Rossmann’s video about this: https://youtu.be/RcSnd3cyti0
He makes awesome videos in general, consider subscribing.
As Rossmann said, don’t ever buy anything from such a shitty company that doesn’t respect their customers. This move by Haier is nothing other than a slap in the face for everyone, who just wants to comfortably control the product they paid for. This company is actively hostile towards their paying customers. Fuck these bastards!
This is ridiculous. It is truly ridiculous. How can something that enables the user to efficiently control their AC cause “significant economic harm”???
We’re discussing this over in !homeassistant@lemmy.world. This absolutely has to be about them losing access to data they can sell to 3rd parties. The hOn ToS will no doubt have a clause that enables this.
It’s a dick move for sure.
And so they can’t possibly actually do anything right? This is just a scare letter?
They probably can. I’m sure they’ve covered themselves with some bullshit ToS that governs the use of the cloud service itself, and acceptance is implied when you use the service.
There’s a part of me that really wishes it could be challenged, though, by pointing out that leaving the cloud service open to public consumption without some form of authorization should simply be a case of tough titties to them. Lock your shit down if you don’t want people like us using it in ways you didn’t intend.
But, as we all well know, once lawyers get involved, it’s simply too hard to fight this sort of shit.
The only way to stop the advancement of legal red tape is for people to consciously, willingly decide to take legal risks.
The reasons lawyers take over everything is because we do everything they tell us to do. Their job is to minimize our legal risk, and by doing everything they tell us to, we put legal risk at the highest level of priority in our own decision-making.
A conscious decision to, say, take the risk of a lawsuit or something, is the only way to be free of lawyers’ control.
They want to advertise that their stuff is “cloud enabled”, while offering the shittiest service possible and putting as many roadblocks as possible to minimize its use.
Having people use their services efficiently is increasing their cloud services bill, can’t have that.
Personally, I’ve restrained myself from buying into IoT, and if I’m going to do so, I’ll make sure it can be controlled locally without depending on a cloud service, and through a hub I can fully control. I need to be able to disconnect my modem and operate everything even if the WAN is down.
My Home Assistant software and smart devices all are controlled locally and cloud access isn’t used but there are other, much more important reasons to avoid running it.
You should avoid it because Home Assistant is an addictive monster. It starts as a hobby and then the next thing you know you’re putting temperature sensors in your refrigerator and setting different brightness levels for your bathroom lights depending on the time of day.
Seriously though, the software gives an amazingly useful single dashboard for things you might use everyday including lighting, HVAC, alarm systems, weather, currency exchange rates, and entertainment systems. I use it every day.
Do you… set your thermostat based on the day’s currency exchange rate? Do you wake up and say, “Honey, I can see my breath; the Euro must be down. Alexa, call my broker.”
They probably want to pull a Chamberlain and sell a bunch of crappy buggy, inconsistent, error-prone addon services for $60/yr after you’ve already purchased the product.
But yeah, lesson mostly learned. Don’t support companies who only offer cloud-dependent services because they will definitely turn on the customer when they reach the natural ceiling of people buying the product and start looking for extra ways to squeeze their customers.
Or go the BluAir route and offload all the processing onto the cloud. They sell the new machines for the same cost as the old machines, but they’re dumb as a bag of bricks. If not connected to the cloud, none of the automatic settings work correctly. When you contact customer support to troubleshoot why it doesnt work on auto mode, the first thing they have you do is delete it and reconnect it to the app. No care about updates. Its just a fan on a wifi switch now. Total junk.
reminds me of the DMCA form letters. full of scary empty threats. paid legal dept. earning their keep. mgmt doesn’t realize the freely developed stuff makes their products more desirable when it does a better job than their own software. may they flounder in ignorance
MY ECONOMIC HARM!
GitHub also has a legal defense fund for developers. GitHub lists it on their DMCA takedown page.
When GitHub processes a DMCA takedown under our circumvention technology claim review process, we will offer the repository owner a referral to receive independent legal consultation through GitHub’s Developer Defense Fund at no cost to them.
They created this fund after claims were made against a YouTube downloader from a third party. (not Google)
I don’t know if this would be an anti-circumvention claim, but it doesn’t sound like a bad idea to ask.
Isn’t GitHub Microsoft owned now? Or am I missing something?
It is owned by Microsoft.
Special shout-out to LiftMaster/Chamberlain who did the same rug-pull on their customers last year.
Never trust free cloud services attached to a paid product.
So, is the code in question using a publicly accessible API of theirs? If so it’d be a shame if something were to access that API more than anticipated…
“Significant economic harm”
Yeah, like my never considering you for any products ever again you pieces of trash. Why the fuck do your products even need to connect with the cloud?
Fuck off.
I live in caveman times. I turn my lights on with a light switch, and I turn my AC on with the power button on the unit.
I can see where some automation would be really nice. I don’t want to remember to turn the heat down at night when I’m already covered in blankets and don’t need it as warm. I could use a automation to dim the lights when it gets late as another indicator that it’s time to head to bed
Nearly all window air conditioner units have a built in programmable timer that allows you to do just this, and if your system is central you can spend all of $20 on an electronic programmable thermostat that’s a plug-in replacement for your old one and doesn’t require being connected to the internet.
Just saying, this functionality already existed and worked just fine before everything had to be on the fucking “cloud.”
I mean that’s where Home Assistant comes into play. Host it yourself or pay for a managed instance and you get the best of both worlds.
Also you can buy thermostats and air conditioners easily that use with micro controlers and don’t rely on any network. It’s not like TVs where you have to dig and largely don’t get that choice anymore
It would be even better if they just stopped putting microphones and cameras on thermostats and stopped making them with internet connectivity.
Are you saying things were better before? Because I feel like things have never been better! I’m a CEO of a F500 company though.
Hey, also, just btw, as an aside, apropos…
If you use “smart devices” in your home, you’re a fucking moron.
If you use
“smart devices”cheap Chinese garbage that requires a 24/7 connection to some random insecure cloud server in your home, you’re a fucking moron. But there are some great solutions that run entirely locally and enable you to do some really cool home automation. Check out the !homeautomation@lemmy.world community, as well as !homeassistant@lemmy.world. Home Assistant is probably the best piece of software for building an actually smart home, that’s also sovereign and not reliant on an internet connection or some company and their infrastructure.Yeah I know, I should have worded myself less aggressively.
