Dismally looking forward to when they don’t vote for Biden and then Trump’s back in office and he gives Netanyahu the green light to kill as many as he wants
Absolutely, therefore they should shut the fuck up and not pressure the sitting President about his support of an ongoing genocidal terror campaign. Smh voters getting uppity, don’t they know it’s an election year
It’s important that Biden doesn’t even FEEL like this will affect his chances.
He must look at the current polls and go “looks like we can keep this genocide going for another 4 years, it’s pretty popular”.
Get back in line and bow to your god emperor Genocide Joe!
Biden can denounce the genocide of Palestine at any time. Instead he has been bypassing congress to fast track more weapons to Israel. At this point, the only difference between Biden’s response and a theoretical Trump response is that Trump would probably try to get some boots on the ground.
If threatening to elect Trump is what it takes for Biden to stop sending U.S ammunition directly into the heads of Palestinian children, then the ends will have justified the means.
the only difference between Biden’s response and a theoretical Trump response is that Trump would probably try to get some boots on the ground.
Wait how is boots on the ground just treated as a “whatever”? That’s usually pretty big isn’t it?
Trump would try. I don’t know if Netanyahu would ask for troops, and I don’t know if Trump and the GQP would be able to fabricate enough evidence for the U.S. public to stomach a foreign war against Hamas, but I know Trump is stupid enough that he’d make a grand, sweeping statement about putting U.S. troops in Gaza before anything was approved.
Doubt it. Trump wants his troops at the border to harass Mexicans.
In all his years Trump didn’t start a single war. He even withdrew from Afghanistan.
Chances are higher of Biden starting a war with Iran than Trump.
That might be fair, and maybe Trump would just be shoveling weapons to the Israelis as fast as they could buy them.
However, he’d also be providing zero support for the Ukrainians, and would probably be arguing to cease even more support to Ukraine in favor of support to Israel. While I do not support the genocide of Palestine, I also do not support the idea of Putin grinding Ukraine to dust to suit his ego. Considering Trump would gladly be complicit to both, I’ll still eventually have to vote for Biden.
I just want him to fucking work a bit for it.
Well israel can’t win a war against Iran and their neighbours without US help. Netanyahu is doing everything he can to escalate the war with Lebanon and Biden is only supporting him.
Biden received more israeli lobby money than Trump.
1 Biden, Joe (D) President $3,753,244
2 Trump, Donald ® President $894,032
Almost 4 times as much. And that’s just open money.
I’m still on the fence and learning more every day, but it seems to me like Biden is unironcally more Genocidal than Trump.
That said, don’t vote for either of those maniacs. Cornel West, Jill Stein, many alternatives that don’t support genocide.
Seriously the guy who would have let both Israel AND Russia do whatever they please is less.l genocidal? Mind blowing
Populists don’t roll with this logic. Any blemish on the part of someone they vote for, they consider their own. You can’t reconcile harm reduction with this mindset, because you have to hate anyone who isn’t 100% in alignment with your ideology. So, you get the rightist populists tossing McCarthy out for keeping the gov open, and the leftist populists willing to let the country burn because Biden can’t unilaterally control Netanyahu’s gov or abandon one of the few Western footprints in the middle east. And they never consider the consequences for doing nothing theirs to own. Inaction is bowing out for populists, while you recognize it as what it is, a choice of its own with consequences. Even once the consequences are upon us, they’ll just blame Biden, the DNC, whatever. Responsibility and owning your choices is anathema to populism.
Libertarians and (uncompromising) progressives are two sides of the same coin, and easily manipulated into voting against their best interest. Even if a real candidate is far more aligned with their interests than the other, all it takes is one wedge issue to get them to effectively not vote.
Zero capability of prioritizingfor for the best plausible outcome.
And lemmy is full of these idealistic fools.
It’s not just okay to vote for someone and then yell at them, it’s vital to a functioning democracy to vote for the person whose values most closely reflect your own, and then to yell at them in an effort to force their values closer to yours.
Yelling won’t work but delivering Trump a second consecutive election defeat and a third consecutive popular vote loss is what will actually get the country back on track.
My solution is pragmatic while yours is ideological.
my solution is “vote for biden and then organize, agitate and protest to get his administration to do better”. yours seems to be “vote for biden” with no followup. Why are you so desperate for enemies that you’re chiding leftists even when they do what you want?
Oh shit I thought you were saying you weren’t voting for Biden lol. I actually agree with you. Thats my bad
I suspect this is the actual goal.
They’re both fascists. The issue is the whole undemocratic American voting system.
I’m not gonna vote for Mussolini just because I think he’s better than Hitler.
We need anti government protests on a massive scale. No amount of voting will ever “fix” this country.
Anti-government protests on a massive scale don’t just happen. They are organized. They are backed by mutual aid networks. It’s easy to sit back and say “I’m not voting for either option because this whole system is bad,” but have you done literally any work at all to make the system less bad? Or to build up real alternatives? If the entire American voting system is undemocratic, what have you done in your local community to make your community’s voice heard outside of that system?
I see so many people who are terminally online say they don’t want to participate in a broken system, and exactly zero of them do any work outside of (not) voting to fix the problems they see in their community. If you’re not gonna do the bare minimum and vote every four years for the least bad option, you better be doing literally any other real-world political work. Otherwise you’re just as complicit in the system you have such an issue with.
Tldr: the revolution is not right around the corner; you will not be saved. Do some actual political legwork instead of sitting on your ass complaining the whole time. Complaining is easy. Fixing is hard.
I see so many people who are terminally online say they don’t want to participate in a broken system, and exactly zero of them do any work outside of (not) voting to fix the problems they see in their community.
I’ve never seen you do anything for your community either.
If this surprises you, or even gets you that upset in this day and age, you haven’t been paying attention.
I’ll be voting for Biden, and it makes me sick that this is what hope now looks like, a desperate plea to delay fascism for another 4 years.
Either way we prolong a dying capitalist empire to avoid and further delay the inevitable revolution that will likely kill most of us and the ones we love in the transition towards a change that is likely to result in the same shit repeating itself a couple centuries later.
Notice that the preservation of decorum, respectability, and sacred institution is prioritized over human life.
If Biden can’t handle backlash for his own actions, how is he the guy to save democracy. Just because you’re fine with co-signing genocide doesn’t mean everyone else is. People have gone down the lesser evil path for so long, it is two old genocidal men for the only two choices.
Watching the attendees reaction chanting “Four More Years” to the calls for a cease fire makes you realize how it is cults on both sides . They really didn’t look any different to MAGA cultist at that moment.
Um… they were literally in a church. What did you think they were?
List of reasons to vote for biden
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You like killing brown people
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He pinky promises he’s gonna forgive your student loans right after he’s done handing out the entire GDP to israel
●Hasn’t tried to overthrow democracy
●Hasn’t sought presidential immunity from crimes, maybe?
Tough choice.
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